Surah 70 Verse 30 which Christians take out of context. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). Was it not inspired? Illustration of David and Bathsheba. BibleArtLibrary / Getty Images Bathsheba was King David's most famous and controversial wife, in part because their marriage came after an illicit extramarital affair at the height of David's reign over Judah and Israel (circa 1005965 BCE). . As an opportunity to feature a large female nude as the focus of a history painting, the subject was popular from the Renaissance onwards. [73] Sanhedrin 69b, https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.69b.11?lang=bi. [29][30][31] Lawrence O. Richards states that the biblical text supports the innocence of Bathsheba, that David took the initiative to find out her identity and summon her, and that she was alone at the time and had no way to refuse the requests of a King. He therefore induced Absalom to commit an unpardonable crime (2 Sam. You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. Because, Im a Sunni Muslim and Im planning to debunk all anti-islamic claims and anti-islamic arguments. The table below shows a summary of this information and calculations of ages for David, Ahithophel, Solomon, and Bathsheba, based on the chronology of 2 Samuel 1117. God Redeemed Bathshebas Pain. Yet, this objection is based on some flawed premises: why is it assumed that Ahithophel needed to be older than David? Bathsheba's son, King Solomon, rises to greet her, bows down in veneration, and furnishes her a seat at his right hand. bloody and deceitful mendo not come up to. From this rapid survey of the general calamity, David turns to the chief supporter of the rebellion, his former chief counsellor. Learn how your comment data is processed. [28], David summoned Bathsheba for sex. 5 In Hebron he reigned over Judah for 7 years and 6 months, and in Jerusalem he reigned for 33 years over all Israel and Judah. It is even in Sahih International. (Now she had been purifying herself after her monthly period.) Yes, David must have been in his late 30s to his early 40s and Bathsheba would have been young but of age, not an adolescent. " : ( ) " (, "Bathsheba's Story: Surviving Abuse and Loss", "Bathsheba at the Bath, object 1 (Butlin 390) "Bathsheba at the Bath", "Ahithophel in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia", "Is There a Queen in the Kingdom of Heaven? As Jonathan Brown explains: the medieval ulama considered the point at which a girl was fit for intercourse to be too varied to be firmly legislated for. [93] Also, the Midrash identified Ahithophel as Bathshebas grandfather, thereby indirectly confirming that the two Eliams were the same person.[94]. (LogOut/ But this is not reasonable. [26], The only interpolations that concern the story of Bathsheba are some verses in the early part of the twelfth chapter, that heighten the moral tone of Nathan's rebuke of David. Tomorrow Ill send you back. So Uriah stayed in Jerusalem that day. [100] Perhaps most controversial is his refusal to assign a particular age to serve as a cutoff. Some Bible dictionaries mention both Eliams without any additional information. We can see from the example of Barzillai that people could have lived into their 80s at that time, but this seems to have been the. [105] This agrees with Biblical standards as well. This would be based on physical and social maturity. Thus, while some people (a, Even if we grant a new upper limit, 90 years, that does not improve the situation for embarrassed Christian apologists. He had no pity for Bathshebas grandfather Ahithophel, Davids trusted friend and adviser, [16] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/dcc/2-samuel-15.html#1, Ahithophel (2 Samuel 15:12) was probably Bathshebas grandfather (2 Samuel 11:3; 2 Samuel 23:34)., [17] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/2-samuel-11.html#3. It should be noted that the Bible does not state Bathsheba was _ years old. Practically, I have helped the authors of DTT website and after I have done that, Im gonna deal with websites like wikiIslam and answering islam. The name Eliam is only mentioned twice in the entire Bible, and both instances occur in 2 Samuel. (2nd Samuel 5:4), he reigned for a total of 40 years (7 in Hebron 33 in Jerusalem)Although the exact age isn't given when he Though sometimes shown clothed at other points in her story, the most common depiction, in both medieval and later art, was Bathsheba at her Bath, the formal name for the subject in art showing Bathsheba bathing, watched by King David. Was Rebekah 3-10 Years Old When Married Off To Isaac? Bathsheba, also known as Bathshua, is a character that appears in the Hebrew Bible (2 Samuel 11, 12; 1 Kings 1, 2). So, if Ahithophel was less than 40 years of age at the time of his death (let us conservatively assume he was 39 years old), and he was Bathshebas grandfather, then how old could Bathsheba have been around this time? 1. Note that this is the most conservative estimate. Rather, Ahithophel must be the close friend, since he was Davids counselor. It only criticizes the explanation of Ahithophels possible motive for helping Absalom (i.e., revenge for Davids sinful act with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah the Hittite). This article has offered a novel contribution to the seemingly unending and unnecessary debate between Muslims and Christians on the appropriate age of marriage and the baseless criticisms of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for his marriage to Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her). An argument has been founded on this to account for the hostility of Ahithophel to king David, [89] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/2_samuel/11.htm, Eliam Or Ammiel, 1 Chronicles 3:5, the component words being placed in an inverse order. But you, God, will bring down the wicked into the pit of decay; Of course, the statement is not intended for a universal law, and indeed was probably pointed especially at the bloody and deceitful men of whom the psalmist had been speaking. (LogOut/ David repented of his sins, and Bathsheba later gave birth to Solomon. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Second, the Chronicler seemed to indicate that Ahithophel was still alive when David was old and nearing death! Even if we grant a new upper limit, 90 years, that does not improve the situation for embarrassed Christian apologists. It reads like a song of the time of Absalom and Ahithophel. However, we can still estimate her age using the Biblical chronology. As stated above, Saul was in his 70s when he died. The Talmud seems to have underestimated his age at 7 years old. Bathsheba was the wife of Uriah the Hittite. The name Eliam is only mentioned twice in the, But 1 Chronicles 11:36 gives the alternate name for Eliam, the son of Ahithophel as Ahijah the Pelonite, so he cannot be the same person as the father of Bathsheba!, Third, if Ahijah is an alternate name for Eliam, it still does not refute the claim that Eliam was the son of Ahithophel and the father of Bathsheba, simply because the Chronicler does not provide any additional information. Others may come to accept the evidence presented but will still attempt to downplay it. The bottom line is that there is no evidence to support the claim that there were two Eliams. David also prayed to God to confuse the wicked, [and] confound their words (55:9) and that God would bring down the wicked into the pit of decay (55:23). By the way, Im not a non-Muslim, but a Sunni Muslim and I apologize if I have by mistake made these allegations. They shall live as long as the Lord of life, the righteous Judge, has appointed, with whom the number of our months is; but he has determined to cut them off by an untimely death in the midst of their days., [58] https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/spurgeon_charles/tod/ps055.cfm?a=533023, A wicked man never lives out half his days; for either he is cut off before he hath lived half the course of nature, or he is cut off before he hath lived a quarter of the course of his desires; either he lives not half so long as he would; and therefore let him die when he will, his death is full of terror, trouble, and confusion, because he dies out of season. The success of Absalom would probably have been fatal to Bath-sheba; it would certainly have barred Solomon, Ahithophels great-grandson, from the throne. According to Psalm 90:10: Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures;. This brings us to the most crucial point of our academic journey of determining Ahithophels age. The Talmud states that Ahithophels age at the time of his death was a mere 33 years (since the sages considered 70 years to be the average lifespan). If the historical David (peace be upon him) had indeed married Bathsheba at such a young age (without committing adultery), the marriage would not have been consummated until she was physically mature, which would have been at the onset of puberty. The son of Ahithophel (2 Samuel 23:34)., [93] https://www.studylight.org/commentary/2-samuel/11-3.html, Bath-sheba, the daughter of Eliam or Ammiel (1 Chronicles 3:5), one of Davids worthies (2 Samuel 23:34), and son of Ahithophel., [94] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/ckb/a/ahithophel.html, According to the Midrash, Ahithophel was Batshebas grandfather., [95] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/fbd/p/pelonite.html, [96] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hbd/p/pelonite.html, [97] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hdb/p/pelonite.html, [98] https://www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/mse/p/pelonite.html, [105] http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-An-Nisa/Giving-Back-the-Property-of-th, Tagged as: 2 Samuel, Absalom, Age of consent, Ahithophel, Bathsheba, Bible, Child Marriage, David, Eliam, Psalm 55, par excellence. 6 Then David sent a message to Joab: Send me Uriah the Hittite. So Joab sent Uriah to David. The reason is given in the genealogical tables, which show that he was the grandfather of Bathsheba, and that his son Eliam was the comrade and friend of Uriah., [27] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tpc/2-samuel-15.html#1, Ahithophel, the grandfather of Bathsheba (2 Samuel 15:12; 2 Samuel:3), [29] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/psalms/55.htm, [30] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/55-13.htm, [31] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/poole/psalms/55.htm, that person who was the chief contriver and promoter of this rebellion under Absalom, even to Ahithophel, of whom he spoke [in] Psalm 55:13; and though he doth not excuse the rest, as we have seen, yet he lays the chief blame upon him, and here he adds new aggravations of his treason.. [71] After returning to Jerusalem, Absalom lived there for another 2 years. So says the Benson Commentary (emphasis ours): Not half so long as men ordinarily live, and as they, by the course of nature, might have lived, and as they themselves expected to live, but shall be cut off by Gods just judgment, by an untimely and violent death.[52]. Psalm 55 is a prayer of David asking God to save him from his enemies. Rather, by the onset of puberty, they were adults and were treated as such. on 2 Samuel 11:3, and 1 Chronicles 3:5) is that the two Eliams are the same person. [48] http://blb-ra.blueletterbible.org/mcgee_j_vernon/Psa/19134_Psalm_55_1-5.mp3 (mark 1:45). Ironically, the evidence comes from the life of her. This was especially the case in France.[36]. We have already seen evidence in a previous article that the marriage was Biblically valid. Why would the author of 2 Samuel have mentioned Eliam in passing on two different occasions and yet have meant them to be two different people and not clarify it, especially since Bathsheba was the daughter of one Eliam, whereas another Eliam was part of Davids elite military unit? Christians should try to be consistent. The ancient Jewish tradition preserved by Jerome (Qu. Nathan also came before the king. This is not a matter of controversy. The Pulpit Commentary adds (emphasis ours): Of course, the statement is not intended for a universal law, and indeed was probably pointed especially at the bloody and deceitful men of whom the psalmist had been speaking. Thus, while some people (a very small minority) may have lived into their 90s (though no proof exists from the Bible), this would not have been the normal extent of life at the time. [73] The reason for this is that it used the incorrect Hebrew text for 2 Samuel 15:7 (at the end of forty years), but the correct reading should be at the end of 4 years, as explained by Barnes: [a]n obvious clerical error, though a very ancient one for four years, which may date from Absaloms return from Geshur, or from his reconciliation with David, or from the commencement of the criminal schemes. The traditional ascription to David cannot on any ground be maintained. 12 Then David told Uriah, Stay here one more day. First, the account in Chronicles omits the sordid stories of David and Bathsheba and Absaloms revolt, and only mentions some characters in passing, so we do not have much information about Bathsheba, Eliam, or Ahithophel. Eliam. David, shooting at the bird, strikes the screen, splitting it; thus Bathsheba is revealed in her beauty to David.[14]. I do not suffer from any misguided hope that all Christians will accept the facts presented in this article. Ali Al-Ridha got upset and said: "Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un, you assign sluggishness in prayer to the prophet of God, and then accuse him of unchastity, and then charge him with the murder of an innocent man!" Since this is now firmly established, we may ask what relevance it has in determining Bathshebas age at the time of her marriage to David. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The norm that the ulama did come to consensus on was only a general guideline: they prohibited sexual intercourse for girls not able to undergo it, on the basis that otherwise sex could be physically harmful. If we assume that the four years refers to the time from the commencement of the criminal schemes (per Barnes), that means that Solomon was no older than 9 years (2+3+2+2=9). The Mount of Olives is adjacent to the city of Jerusalem, so David would have had a good view of the city and thus, assuming he wrote the psalm, could have been describing his feelings at the time. Since David died when he was 70 years old, it means that he was 50 years old when Bathsheba (911 years old) gave birth to Solomon. Based on the example of Barzillai, 80 years seems to have been the upper limit of life in Davids time. [1] He was a younger brother of Shammuah Called Ammiel, 1 Chronicles 3:5. David was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 40 years. The man said, She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.. A girls period can start at different ages, so thats not a good argument. Bathsheba was the wife of Uriah the Hittite. He desired her and later made her pregnant. This elite group also included Uriah the Hittite (v. 39). How[c] could I go home and eat, drink, and have sex with my wife? This does not mean that Muslims should marry their 9-year old children in modern times, because as stated above (see objection #5), people we would consider children in our times were not necessarily considered as such in ancient times. WebAlthough David married numerous women in the course of his lifetime, he never bypassed the limits imposed by the Torah . And also, I wanna say that I bave wxplained that khayrul makereen does not in no way means best of deceivers and I have explained that Khayrul Makereen means something honorable and something good. Indeed, the account in 2 Samuel 1517 shows a man who was quite active, thereby suggesting that he was not an old man. Budde later connected it with the Jahwist document of the Hexateuch. Uriah. In this article. Based on the example of Barzillai, 80 years seems to have been the upper limit of life in Davids time. This question of succession threatens to throw the nation of Israel into civil war upon David's death. 23), but of Ahithophels unfaithfulness and the rebellion of Absalom (Chald., the Rabbins, and most interpreters), and indeed not after the outbreak of the rebellion, but shortly before it.. This is confirmed by 1 Kings 15:5, which states (emphasis ours): David had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord and had not failed to keep any of the Lords commands all the days of his lifeexcept in the case of Uriah the Hittite.. Bathsheba is one of only five women listed in the ancestry of Jesus Christ ( Matthew 1:6 ). They will vociferously deny that Bathsheba was around 7 years old (or perhaps as old as 9) when she first encountered David and they will deny that she was the granddaughter of Ahithophel. David slept with Bathsheba and arranged for Uriahs death [a]ll the expressions used in this verse would probably be applicable to Ahithophel, and to the intimacy between him and David., This was also the conclusion of the classical Jewish sources, such as the Targums and the Talmud, as explained in, But it was thou,. According to the chronology of 2 Samuel 1315, two years had passed since Amnon had raped his half-sister Tamar (Absaloms sister), Thus, the Talmud sages did not left out the 4 years that went by between Absalom and Davids reconciliation and the beginning of Absaloms revolt. And the arabic word Makr is used meaning plan, not deceive.
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